New Gun Control Law In This State Is Causing Sheriffs To Do Something Highly Irregular

Screen Shot 2016-08-01 at 3.04.04 PMWhen it comes to law enforcement officials the truest representation of what the people want is embodied in their elected sheriffs.

Sheriffs are the only group of law enforcement who are put into office by the people they serve.

Because this is true they generally are quite outspoken on important issues affecting the people they represent.

And in Nevada, where a new gun control measure is on the ballot some Sheriffs, including the head Sheriff are doing something they normally wouldn’t…they’re urging their constituents to vote down a new gun law.

They’re really standing up for what they believe (and for what they believe will be best for those in their community).

ABC writes:

LAS VEGAS — Sheriffs in most Nevada counties have come out against a background check initiative that gun control advocates are supporting on the ballot this November, but the top cop in the largest police agency in the state says he’ll sit this one out.

“This is a vote of the people,” Joe Lombardo, sheriff of Clark County and head of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, told The Associated Press. “I’ve chosen to remain neutral on this.”

In the rest of the state, most of the other 16 elected sheriffs oppose Question 1, the Nevada Background Checks for Gun Purchases Initiative.

“Any bill that does not address mental health, which I believe to be the core cause of the violence we’ve had across the country, does not meet my expectations,” said Kenny Furlong, sheriff in Carson City. “Mental health has to be addressed.”

Sheriff Sharon Wehrly in Nye County said she believed the initiative chips away at Second Amendment rights.

“It merely places more restrictions on good people, will make it more difficult, and incur unnecessary costs for law-abiding citizens to manage their personal property,” she said.

Backers of the measure say they have broad support — ranging from former sheriffs in Clark and Washoe counties, Bill Young and Mike Haley, to endorsements from groups including the Latin Chamber of Commerce, Nevada Parent Teacher Association, school teachers’ union and the Nevada Public Health Association.

“It really shows how gun violence is impacting various areas in our communities,” said Jennifer Crowe, spokeswoman for Nevadans for Background Checks. “They know it’ll make a difference and save lives.”

A yes vote would require background checks through a licensed gun dealer when most firearms change hands, except for temporary transfers of a weapon while hunting or target shooting, for immediate self-defense, and transfers between immediate family members. A licensed dealer would be allowed to charge a fee for a background check.

Proponents call the lack of background checks a loophole in the law.

The National Rifle Association is the leading opponent of the Nevada measure, while supporters are heavily funded by Everytown for Gun Safety Action Fund, a group affiliated with former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

Furlong helped draft a Nevada Sheriffs’ and Chiefs’ Association letter in February 2013, signed by all 17 sheriffs in Nevada at that time, that opposed expanding background checks for weapon purchases.

Most of the sheriffs in the state met this week in Ely, and considered at that meeting a revision of the February 2013 letter, said Robert Roshak, executive director of the association. Eight sheriffs who signed in 2013 are no longer in office, including Haley in Washoe County.

Chuck Allen, Haley’s successor, said he promised voters he’d oppose the measure when he ran for office in 2014.

“The core principle is not to infringe our right to keep and bear arms,” Allen said during a break in the sheriffs’ meeting on Thursday. “We need to focus on other issues like mental health, keeping firearms out of the hands of criminals, and not imposing more restrictions on law-abiding citizens.”

Furlong experienced a mass shooting when a man who had been diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia opened fire in a Carson City IHOP restaurant in September 2011, killing four people, wounding seven others and then killing himself.

He said legal mental health confidentiality would have blocked a background check from flagging the shooter as a person who shouldn’t buy a gun.

“How do background checks break through the wall that guarantees and protects a person’s privacy, and still provide for public safety?” Furlong asked

Crowe, however, said data shows low numbers of police officers killed with firearms, gun suicides and rates of women shot and killed by their intimate partners in the 18 states with laws like the one on the Nevada ballot.

“In states that have closed the loophole, they’ve cut gun violence,” she said.

Lombardo’s agency, with about 2,500 sworn officers, covers a city and most of a county home to 2 million residents and more than 40 million tourists a year. The area just topped 100 homicides this year — most of them shootings.

He said he’d support stricter background checks if the initiative passes, and didn’t foresee it being a burden on law enforcement.

“A system in which a private seller can have access to determine if a buyer is a prohibited person, and in a timely manner, is ideal,” he said.

How do you feel about this? What’s your opinion on letting voters determine gun control?

Should the constitution be the end all be all when it comes to gun control, or, should people have the ability to help rewrite the current laws.

A lot of people would argue a democracy is a dangerous thing as it’ll eventually allow the mob to strip people of their God-given rights.

This could be exactly what happens in Nevada.

People who have been indoctrinated to believe guns are bad might end up voting in a way that ends up hurting liberty-loving Americans.

That’s why the sheriffs are adamant the people get educated on the effectiveness of gun laws and vote to suppress them.

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  • Robert Early

    Hey, Joe Lombardo !
    Sitting on the fence will only cause a fatal pain in your butt when the next election rolls around.

  • Kim T. Curtis

    It is already a FEDERAL law that a background check MUST be done for every sale from an FFL Dealer! This is a stupid suggestion for something that already exists! There IS NO LOOPHOLE!! I’m with the Sheriffs! There MUST be an element of mental health check in the new law or it is nothing but a duplication of a law already on the books! Otherwise, it is nothing but ANOTHER attack on the 2nd Amendment!!

    • RedRiverD

      And just how are you going to get someones mental health on the record with HIPPA laws?
      That would be a huge violation of patient/doctor confidentiality. And really, how many gun incidents that happen are done by “mentally ill” people? They are merely using that as an excuse to further restrict peoples constitutional rights.

      • James McGrath

        Yup, it’s just a foot in the door. I mean damn, they’re already pushing the narrative of if you deny Global Warming, it’s a mental illness.

        • Pi_Boson

          Because it is true. NPD is one example of climate change deniers.

          • Lee

            Get back on your meds dude.

          • James Edmond

            Global warming will go away, if all mentally defective liberals/democrats, and career criminals were put down.

          • James McGrath

            Thank you for demonstrating my point.

      • john

        Privacy is something that libs hate for anyone but themselves. Does your doc keep an EMR on you? ( Electronic medical Record) Do you think the feds could not get it if they wanted to?

    • Junius Graham

      The Politicians writing these laws aren’t certified to be mentaly healthy. That should be the first
      requirement to run for political office.

      • Pi_Boson

        Public servants in Congress go to Bethesda before being sworn in to confirm a complete and thorough lobotomy.

        • James Edmond

          Yours is scheduled for Monday, 8-8-2016, at 8:00 am. Don’t miss it, Pi.

        • allen blaine

          Sheriff Richard Mack of Arizona already took the background check to the SCOTUS and won. The SCOTUS ruled background checks unconstitutional yet they keep on pushing it illegally. That’s like some one trying to abolish abortions when only the SCOTUS can reverse the ruling. All of these gun grabbers are acting in an illegal manner. They have no compassion for human life otherwise they would be going after the most horrifically violent killings in this world where over 1,500,000 million babies are murdered violently by abortion where their tiny limbs are torn off and the remnants are sucked out of the womb by a vacuum. Only 3,000 people a year are murdered violently by someone with a gun. They need to get their priorities in order. SHAME, SHAME!!!! Hypocrites!!!!

          • john

            allen, I thought it was illegal to conspire to deny someone their civil rights. Why does that not apply for the Gun Control Zealots?

    • Pi_Boson

      Most people that want a gun have serious mental wellness issues according to APA, AAPT, and IME.

      • Robert Barnes

        Stupid is as stupid does. And you are one of them.

      • James Edmond

        Liberals like yourself don’t have to want a gun, to have mental issues.

      • Johnstoirvin

        and WTF?

      • b4k9zp

        The APA, AAPT and IME are all anti-gun organizations, equivalent to the Violence Policy Center, The Joyce Foundation, and many others.

        BTW, the man who is regarded as being the founder of psychoanalysis (Sigmund Freud), was is credited with saying in his 10th lecture on “Introduction to Psychoanalysis” that a fear of weapons is a sign of a retarded emotional and sexual maturity.

        According to A “Wikiquotes” article on Sigmund Freud, this not a statement that has been found in any translation of
        any of Freud’s known works. It is a paraphrase of a statement from the
        essay “Guns, Murders, and the Constitution” (February 1990) by Don B. Kates, Jr. where Kates summarizes his views of passages in Dreams in Folklore
        (1958) by Freud and David E. Oppenheim, while disputing statements by
        Emmanuel Tanay in “Neurotic Attachment to Guns” in a 1976 edition of The Fifty Minute Hour: A Collection of True Psychoanalytic Tales (1955) by Robert Mitchell Lindner: Dr. Tanay is perhaps unaware of — in any event, he does not cite — other passages more relevant
        to his argument. In these other passages Freud associates retarded
        sexual and emotional development not with gun ownership, but with fear
        and loathing of weapons. The probative importance that ought to be
        attached to the views of Freud is, of course, a matter of opinion. The
        point here is only that those views provide no support for the penis
        theory of gun ownership.

        After reading of this essay and its citations, this paraphrase of an
        opinion about Freud’s ideas has been attributed to Freud himself, and
        specifically to his 10th Lecture “Symbolism in Dreams” in General Introduction to Psychoanalysis on some internet forum pages… One of the statements by Freud which Kates summarized from in Dreams in Folklore (1958), p. 33, reads: “The
        representation of the penis as a weapon, cutting knife, dagger etc., is
        familiar to us from the anxiety dreams of abstinent women in particular
        and also lies at the root of numerous phobias in neurotic people.”

        • john

          Good job,b4.

      • john

        (shaking head sadly) My bet is that you really believe that, which reflects poorly on you.

    • Yes it IS an attack. I am glad that you can see that. I only wish more people could understand this. How ever> I need to let you know something quite important, the proposed “mental health check” which EVERYONE has been duped to strongly believe in. . . . . . .is the greatest trick they have up their sleeves yet. . . . . . . and will be the most WORST ATTACK ON OUR SECOND AMENDMENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY ! ! 99+% of all law abiding citizens would be banned from having a gun since just about NOBODY has a PERFECT RECORD OF MENTAL HEALTH! FACT. Research has found this out several years ago. This is just another plot to go along with the widely OPEN BORDERS and with the proposed TRANS PACIFIC PARTNERSHIP! Our great nation and all our rights and liberties and freedom will be GONE! No jobs! Only slavery! No more Social Security or food stamps. More fighting than ever due to the influx of foreigner who mostly HATE US! And WE! will be the only people with out guns ! Then guess what! You guessed it! MARTIAL LAW! The so-called “New World Order” which is around the corner is NOT a fantasy or a myth. The “Mental Health Check” is the armageddon of the anti gun politics. People need to figure this out! VERY SOON.

  • RedRiverD

    I completely agree that MORE gun restriction laws will do NOTHING to reduce guns in the wrong hands.
    Criminals who already do NOT abide by laws have and always will obtain guns by means other than lawful. That’s why they are CRIMINALS! They do NOT pay any attention to laws.
    And despite the statistics listed in the article, statistics can always be swayed to make your own point.
    Another case in point, Chicago, Illinois has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation and yet they still have one of the HIGHEST murder rates of any city in the nation. So what does that say about gun control laws? The “government” only wants to disarm the populous so that they can control us further.

    • OHJonesy

      Yep – well said.

  • GR Arnold

    I stand firmly with the Sheriff in full opposition. These gun control assholes also eventually need to be dealt with. If anyone in my family dies or gets injured because of any direct and/or indirect gun control efforts those clowns responsible will pay in the same fashion.

    • NOW somebody’s talking! And I strongly agree! It is about time we start taking action! That is the only way it will stop! The elite only operate by force and not by justice or by democracy, and the only way they will stop their evil is if we go by force as well! The banker elite and the secret societies of whom we are supposed to fear, I say F*CK’EM!

  • CompletelyOutsane

    Ban the anti-gunners!

    • Pi_Boson

      shoot anyone with a gun.

      • CompletelyOutsane

        What are you going to use to shoot them? A Gun? Start with yourself.
        Why you want to shoot people? I agree a gun is a good choice to do that with… but why?
        I wasn’t looking to shoot anyone. Just let people exercise their UNALIENABLE RIGHT to keep and bear arms. If you don’t want guns, don’t buy any. I’m ok with that.

      • James Edmond

        Retard much,Pi?

        • Obviously so. One of those anti-gun-nuts, so it is not awfully surprising.

      • Pi_ Boson, why don’t you start with yourself ?! You said “anyone with a gun” well the person himself would have to be just THAT in order to do what you said to do, so he would have to shoot himself. You are just as STUPID as you sound. Good day.

      • john

        Nonsense.

      • shawshank09

        Mr. Boston, you sir sound like a complete asshole liberal

      • john

        Not even going to talk to you, hypocrite.

  • Surly Curmudgen

    The anti gun people are not trying to close a loophole they are hoping to open a large loophole in the constitution they can then use to deprive us of our right to protect ourselves from the criminals.

    • James Edmond

      Don’t forget Pi and her liberal cumsuckers.

  • Surly Curmudgen

    I am all for much more gun control, every adult in good standing should be trained and go armed at all times.

  • What part of “shall not be infringed” do they not understand?

    • shawshank09

      I have often wondered about that. Can’t these law makers read, or is it just because they don’t agree with it.

      • b4k9zp

        It’s becoming more and more obvious that they don’t agree with the Constitution! All of them that don’t agree with the Constitution should be removed from office, permanently!

        • john

          Don’t lawmakers take an oath of office? But once they are in place, they just do what they want.

          • b4k9zp

            Yes, they are required (by Article VI, paragraphs two and three, which state: “This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof, and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the Judges in every State, shall be bound thereby;
            any thing in the constitution or laws of any State to the contrary
            notwithstanding.
            The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by oath or affirmation to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, under the United States.”) to affirm or swear that they support the constitution of the United States as the supreme law of the land.

            The President of the US is required to take the oath specified by Article II, section one, paragraph seven of the Constitution (“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States; and will, to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend, the Constitution of the United States.”

            Breaking of an oath is a crime called “perjury” which is a felony offense in every state of the country, and under federal law as well. (Essentially the act of lying under oath to tell the truth is not specifically the crime, for the crime is actually the breaking of one’s sworn word that one will tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth as a witness before a jury or other legal proceeding.

          • john

            Thanks,b4. You are completely correct, and I agree with you. You clearly stated what I was trying to say.

        • shawshank09

          I couldn’t agree more, as a matter of fact when their sworn into office doesn’t that oath say something like swearing allegiance to the constitution, laws and something about enemies foreign and domestic? I need to look that up.

          • b4k9zp

            Read Article VI, paragraphs two and three–they are required to support the Constitution as the supreme law of the land.

          • shawshank09

            Thanks for the info. We need to keep reminding them of their oath. I know the response I would get, it would read like “mind your own business and you don’t know all the problems going on yada yada yada”
            The only way is if enough people would remind them and constantly remind them, particularly at the ballot box. But getting enough people on board to make us heard would be almost impossible And they know that..
            But we need to try.

      • john

        shaw, they are more intelligent, more educated and morally superior to the rest of us. “It’s for the kids.” ” It is for our own good.” and their opinions are more important than anyone else’s. Just ask them, and they will tell you so. In facts, don’t even bother asking and they will tell you so anyway. They have no respect for the Constitution because it just stands in their way.

        • shawshank09

          Yeah, they seem to have gotten the idea that they are more intelligent than most, have a better understanding of what’s good for the “unwashed minions”and by far have more wisdom.Something like that.
          Well there are a lot of people out here that don’t have a clue of what’s going on, but they need to realize that doesn’t include all. If they have as much understanding as they think, wasn’t there people out here who ran business of all types, and some of these are know it all’s also. But there were people who had it together before they obtained enlightenment. To me it shows just how much self serving “bull shit”they have.

          • john

            Yup. Their condescension towards anyone who disagrees with their dogma is just frustrating, and they just do not listen.

    • Johnstoirvin

      Liberals are infringers!

    • ALL of it because they have ONE agenda in mind> to DISARM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE! Read Pat Robertson’s “New World Order”. Dont worry, there are a lot of other sources that can tell you the truth about what is really going on. Yes there are much different personages in the legislature than what most would think! And the agenda is very discrete. But first they must divide us, weaken us yet even more by disarming us, then they can push their agenda through by force, THE NEW WORLD ORDER! I say F*CK’EM!

      • Terry Butts

        They know if they get a DISARM ALL law passed it would cause instant civil war between those ARMED hypocrites in the government who feel they are the only ones allowed to defend themselves and those who refuse to give up their irrevocable constitutional rights all they need do is sit back and wait for the dust to settle those left weakened by the conflict will be easier for them to conquer.

  • James McGrath

    Here’s the problem as I see it, I believe “mental illness” is the new scapegoat. The vast majority of people with a “mental illness” are non violent. I think the mental illness thing will result in definition creep or expansion. I think before you know it everything and anything can and will become a mental illness. Not PC? Well, you’re mentally ill. Don’t support illegal Immigration? Let’s call that a mental illness. Felt a little depressed and saw a Psychologist? Oh no, sorry, no firearm for you. I don’t trust them, everything for them is a foot in the door.

    • James Edmond

      Give them an inch, and they’ll take a mile.

    • john

      James, you have the right idea. If you look at the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual Fifth edition, published by the American Psychiatric Association, and compare it to the 4th edition (TR) you will notice the recognition of a bunch of new diagnoses. Like Caffeine addiction, Sleep disorders, overeating. If that is the new definition of Mental Illness, we are all in trouble.

  • Greyguy

    First, I am not sure you want the majority voting on a constitutional right that has been established, kind of an oxymoron.

    Second, Becareful what you wish for on mental health restrictions on gun ownership, because look at what Obama tried with Social Security folks who let the kids manage their money, and veterans who had even minor cases of PTSD[the military is notorious for over medicating and poorly diagnosing everything]. Once the government has even a minor diagnosis of anything on you from grammer school,it could cripple your chances of owning a gun for life!

  • jeffhensr

    The US Constitution is the End all be All. No other laws should be allowed concerning guns. What part of the “rights to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” do the misguided people not understand. If we give up the Constitution and the rule of law, no one in this coun try has any rights anymore. The government can control us all and make us do their will.

    • Pi_Boson

      What does a well regulated militia have to do with allowing guns to anyone or everyone?

      • James Edmond

        Time for your dirt nap, Pi.

      • jeffhensr

        because when the United States received her Constitution it was recognized that citizens would have arms for self-defense and hunting for survival. If an enemy, foreign or domestic arose, the leaders of a state or states could call these “citizen soldiers” to fight to repel these enemies. This is the oath that the President, members of Congress, members of the armed forces still take today. The National Guard has usurped the role of the state militias and are interfering with the states’ rights to preserve our freedoms against a tyrannical federal government which has violated all 10 amendments that make up the Bill of Rights.

      • b4k9zp

        First, the term “well regulated miltiia” clause has NEVER, repeat, NEVER authorized the passage of any laws restricting the unalienable, ABSOLUTE right of the individual to keep and bear arms of the same kind that were in common use by the military, or better ones if they could get them.

        Second, the term “well regulated militia” only describes a “militia” (or body of citizens) that is capable of doing the job for which it is created, as a “well regulated clock” keeps accurate time, and a “well regulated” mail service delivers mail at the same time every day. and a set of “well regulated” sighs on a rifle, shotgun or pistol, are aligned properly with a line through the center of the bore of the barrel to that when the user uses the sights to aim the weapon, he has a high probability of hitting the target at which he is aiming, instead of the bullet/shot flying off somewhere unkown. IOW, the words “well regulated” only mean that the noun describing the object with which the words “well regulated” are used is functioning as it is intended to function.

        The militia consists of the whole body of the people, with the exception of a few elected officials (according to George Mason, one of the writers of the Constitution) According to at least one book on Constitutional law (Judge Thomas M. Cooley’s “General Principles of Constitutional Law, Third Edition” (1898)), the militias could not exist unless every individual who was a member of the militia had the right to possess weapons that were the same as those used by the military (or better ones if they were available), for they were expected to appear within minutes to be mustered “WITH THEIR OWN WEAPONS” and ammunition for the weapon, when they were called up for duty with the militia.

        Professor Leonard W. Levy, Author of “The Origin of the Bill of Rights” (1999 [paperback]) stated: in chapter six of that book: “Believing that the amendment does not authorize an individual’s right to keep and bear arms is wrong. The right to bear arms is an individual right. The military connotation of bearing arms does not necessarily determine the meaning of a right to bear arms. If all it meant as the right to be a soldier or serve in the military, whether in the militia or the army, it would hardly be a cherished right and would never have reached constitutional status in the Bill of Rights…The very language of the amendment is evidence that the right is a personal one, for it is not subordinated to the militia clause. Rather the right is an independent one, altogether separate from the maintenance of a militia. Militias were possible only because the people were armed and possessed the right to be armed. The right does not depend on whether militias exist.”

  • Doug E

    “In a timely manner”, huh? Obama Care implementation comes to mind, the system already in place slows gun sales, waiting periods don’t work. These Laws are nothing less than B.S. If we applied the same standard to the First Amendment, the Radios, T.V.s, Satellite, Cable, and more would slow to a halt. ” Equality among Rights Must be Maintained Absolutely or we will Lose them Completely” dce

    • Col. William Dexter

      Seems simple enough, but why do the misguided half of America find the idea of maintaining the constitution so abhorrent, its not as you may think, most have been told by their political leaders that guns kill, so they must be bad, but the real reason is patriots may use guns to kill bad political leaders, and the bad political leaders know for a fact that it will be easier to get rid of guns (Lenin, Hitler & Mao all did it) than to get rid of patriots.

      • Robert Barnes

        Thank you Col. Dexter. My oath did not end at the end of my enlistment USAF 1963 TO 1967

        • Col. William Dexter

          Neither did mine USAF 1982 to 2009

        • Sara Diablo

          Or mine, USAF 2001 to 2015

        • Martin Slazenger

          Mine either, CIA 1992 to 2014

        • Rod Scott

          An oath is an oath, USAF 1979 to 2003

      • john

        Thanks, Colonel. We are in agreement. in the last century, didn’t more citizens lose their lives to their own governments, than to wars?

  • Combatvet52

    Joe’s an AH

  • Howleyesque

    Sadly though the Liperals REFUSE to listen to people who ACTUALLY KNOW what they’re talking about and tell the HONEST TRUTH! Instead the listen to their EQUALLY hypocritical leaders… Obama, Swillary and Mikie “THE FELON” Bloomerbug and his rags as well of those of the Nazi Soros.

    • Robert Barnes

      The guilty are listed at commieblaster.com

  • Gar

    This is my country USA, born here and fought for her! Go back to Kenya you lap-dog where you belong! Anyone who doesn’t like our constitution, GO HOME SNAKE!

  • Wayne

    This is just another asinine law that will give criminals safer conduct while they do their jobs and restrict the law abiding citizens from protecting themselves and their families. Gee thanks liberals, but we really don’t wish to be victims of your stupidity.

  • d66cmorris

    Same reason most of the sheriffs in NYS refuse to enforce the Safe Act passed(in less then 3 hours) by Coumo and his henchmen in the middle of the night. It’s unconstitutional.

  • dltaylor51

    Obama just signed and executive order releasing 217 felons back into society because they are black and he didn’t figure they got a fair trial,if they wouldn’t have broke the law in the first place there would have been no need for them to go to trial.Barry just wants more shootings so he can push his gun control agenda and that’s why the sudden compassion for these losers.

  • loony1975

    even if they were to pass(highly unlikely) this garbage, IT WOULD BE IGNORED…WE ARE DONE HUMORING THEIR BULLS–T…PERIOD…

  • Robert Barnes

    The truth is none of these so called gun laws are enforceable, all of them are a total FRAUD. The BS guns laws are put in place by a private corporation. UNITED STATES CORPORATION est. 1871. See youtube.com video YOU KNOW SOME THING IS WRONG WHEN. Buy the book ( researched & written by 2 judges} from amazon.com
    If you don’t know your rights, you don’t have any rights.

  • dennis cheever

    The Federal Government already has banned 7500 Social Security recipients, and they are going after Our Veterans next. If that is not infringement, what is? The 2nd Amendment should be left alone, by every body. It is our only defense against people like Obama and the UN, or the Federal Govt.

  • ElmoS

    These Bankrupt Democrats have nothing else to attack, they can’t fix the economy, they can’t create jobs, they can’t secure the borders, they can’t attack Hillary for her e-mails, they can’t demand where Obama got 400 MILLION DOLLARS for the Terrorists in Iran. They can’t do anything but try to take our guns away. Do these imbeciles really think this will solve any of our problem’s? This is a RUSE to take our minds off the Inept Hillary and Obama.

    • Martin Slazenger

      This is no ruse, it is extremely important for them to take your gun, because when nobody has a gun, you can bitch and whine about the economy, the borders, Hillary’s emails and Obama’s gift to his buddies, but they can just tell you to shut up, getting rid of the guns is how these imbeciles are trying to fix the problems.

      • Rod Scott

        The government does whatever they want now, can you imagine how bad it would get, if they didn’t have to think about civil rebellion.

        • john

          Dangerous to say that in public, Rod.

          • Rod Scott

            John, I wouldn’t make that statement while living in the US, I know first hand what can happen to people that speak out about the government. In late 2009, while trying to get into local politics in CA, I mentioned publicly that the recent win by president Obama was a shock to many people, including many vote counters, fairly innocent remark I thought at the time. Meanwhile I was spending all my saving and was running out of cash, so I decided to sell my car ( a 2 year old Mercedes Benz) to my neighbor, I had the car all checked out and serviced by the MB dealership on the Friday, on Saturday my neighbor came with cash, we filled out the forms, and he drove proudly away in his new toy, on the Monday morning I posted the forms in, Monday evening I was visited by the police who told me that my car had blown up and caught fire, and seeing I was talking to them, they wanted to know who the 4 people in the car were, I told them that I believed them to be my neighbor, his wife and their 2 kids. After that little shake up, I was highly motivated to “get outta town”, I put the house up for sale, and with the extended family we drove to Mexico city in the wifes old Chevy, caught a plane to Tokyo, a boat to South Korea and another plane to Beijing, where I have many ex.service friends that helped us to settle in. I and my family feel completely safe here, and although my father-in-law only came with us because we were his only family, and he has had a mindset against all Asian people since serving in Vietnam, he feels at home here now, and has some Chinese friends.
            I sometimes read what others say about Obama and his cronies, while they remain in the US, and I think to myself “be careful, it doesn’t take much”. They wont come and shoot you, but a car accident is so common, drowning in your own swimming pool, happens all the time, or electrocution from a faulty power plug, or an overdose of your prescription medicine, it wont be a government sanctioned hit, it will be just another accident.

          • john

            ???? As my grandmother used to say, ” oh shit oh, dear!”

          • Rod Scott

            I have always found the Chinese to be very friendly and open, I have also found them ( as a nation) to be more honest than any other country that I have ever been to (and I have been almost everywhere). Asking a young woman in the street for directions is perfectly OK, she wont think you just want to jump her bones.
            My father-in-law didn’t want to be in the army, but grew to make bonds with others stuck in a bad war, bonds that last until death, which most of his war buddies have now achieved, he was 80 years old when I announced at a family meeting we were going to China, he suggested Canada and Italy, (he is of Italian decent) but I wanted a forward moving country, further away than Canada, and not going down the gurgler like most of Europe, I made it clear that China was or best option, Brazil or India were next on the list, he only came because we are all he has in the world, and he knew for a fact that he would hate it, within 6 months of me buying the house in Shijiazhuang, he was regularly going out, shopping, meeting people, he now has many friends and spends a lot of time playing Chinese Chess and Mah-jongg in our local park. His health seems very good for somebody that is almost 88 years old, still very active with a sharp mind, he hasn’t spoken about going back “home” for over 5 years, and I feel the same, as do all family members, this is our home now.

      • Sara Diablo

        There is a difference between the government fixing the problems, and the government persecution the population for mentioning there is a problem, this is called DEMOCRACY, and unfortunately it is also connected to the 2nd Amendment, lose one, lose both.

        • 45 cal

          Democracy is not our free nation it is MOB RULE. We have Republican representative form of government. Through constant campaigning of these
          non-term limited representatives remain in power and have established a
          massive central monster: bureaucracy for protection of this power. These
          regulatory departments have made laws (not within their authority) and imposed
          fees (taxes) that only Congress with the President can enact.

          • b4k9zp

            The founding fathers (Ben Franklin for one) regarded the new government they had created with the Constitution as a “Constitutional Republic, with democratically elected representatives”

            Agree with the rest of your statement.

        • john

          I do like the way you think. I suggest you read the book IF YOU CAN KEEP IT by Eric Metaxa. You might find it interesting. Let me know what you think of it.

  • Lizard

    Think i will live by simple 2nd amendment,,, heck with all other garbage laws

  • The Constitution is where our laws are to be based on. The 2nd Amendment is the teeth of the guard dog that is the Constitution. If the teeth are pulled the rest can be ignored and kicked to death. We need to take our country back, or let the libs have their piece and the rest of us the rest. If Hillary gets into the White House it’s time for a new civil war. I’m just tired of being dictated to from DC. I don’t really want a war in the country but we need to fix things for the better. VIVA America!!!

    • Col. William Dexter

      When the constitution was written, it was for the protection of all Americans, but America has changed since then, the American people have not been able to stand under one flag for many years, so the time for a divide is here, 2 flags, 2 constitutions ( one without the 2nd.) and 2 countries.

      • Rod Scott

        Col. the Liberal don’t just want half, they want the lot, this is why they want to dis-arm us, and when they do, they will have it all.

        • Sara Diablo

          Completely right Rod, they aren’t offering to share this country, they want it there way, and they mean to get the guns first, so we can’t argue later.

          • 45 cal

            They will “draw no quarter” in their mission of Control of all free men.

          • Sara Diablo

            Their mission sounds so sweet to the mentally challenged, “get rid of the guns and you get rid of murder”, this is as stupid as saying “there were no murders before about 400 years ago”, Did Cain have a AR15 or a 1911 when he wiped his brother, NO, he had a rock.
            The Liberal agenda has 2 halves, one half know that they are working towards One World Order, the other half think getting rid of guns is going to make everybody friends again, just like the good ‘ol days, the land of milk & honey, leader of the free world, its a sweet thought, but its never going to happen.

          • 45 cal

            If it were actually a peaceful society as they would wish for it would only come as a result of the good people standing firm against (with strong weapons) to protect themselves against evil criminals. Peace is garnered though strength not weakness.

          • Sara Diablo

            The majority of Liberals ( Sheeple ) just wont believe that, they are continually told about getting rid of all the guns, this will fix everything, they don’t ask “what comes after we have all the guns”, the fact is after all the guns are gone forever, the small percentage of Liberals ( One World Order) will be able the treat the sheeple and the patriots exactly the same, sure, we can say, “we told you so”, but that wont help anybody because it will be just too late.

          • john

            It is never too late, it just gets harder to overcome.

          • Sara Diablo

            When all the guns are gone, and the New World Order has taken over, it wont be hard to overcome, it will be TOO LATE.

          • john

            There are about 320 million people in this country. There are also about 320 million firearms, it is said. So there are about 8000 gundeaths other than suicides this year. Divide 320 million by 8 thousand and see what kind of answer you get. Gun crimes are about 50% of what they were 30 years ago, so what is the urgency to take prohibitive action against all gunowners now? and the p[ossession of firearms rises yearly by at least a million firearms a year. Punish everyone for the criminality of a few? Yeah, that makes perfect sense…. I do not see any action against criminals. “it is for your own good” or “it is for the children” is emotions overriding facts and logic and is just nonsense. What do you think?

        • john

          Have you ever read UN plan 21? they want to be the hereditary aristocracy, and wannabe dictators, while the rest of us be reduced to peons: ill- educated, unarmed, and kept ignorant by propaganda. We are agreed in principle.

          • Rod Scott

            Yes John I have, several times, and nowhere does it say they want to be the hereditary aristocracy or wannabe dictators, but I sure that is just a bit of the direct wording that was purposely omitted. my biggest worry is that they want to stop private ownership of land ( for conservation attention), I own 2 houses and a farm, they want to be able to direct farming in their direction ( double wammy ), I grow green coffee, which they would want to change to GMO corn. And the big one is population control, with the world population at 7.5 billion, and they want it to be 4 billion, I don’t think they are going to ask parents to have less children, I think it will be more severe than that, something like setting up a few disasters, like the grid down in USA, estimated 200 million dead in the first year, sure thats not enough, but its a start. My personal worry here is, what do they want to do with China? Population is officially 1.4 billion, but that doesn’t count the unregistered people, maybe making it closer to 2 billion. The problem here is that I moved from USA about 7 years ago to get out of the spiraling dosedive, and have a very comfortable life here in China.

          • john

            I am not very well educated in the living conditions in China. You like it? Growing coffee? Are you in the South? The agenda towards the elitists becoming the hereditary aristocracy, and de facto dictators is something we are seeing clearer daily. I have particular distrust of the UN. Agenda 21 seems to profit very few. Eliminating private property just seems…. wrong to me. Whose interests would be served?

          • Rod Scott

            I love it here, you can walk the streets at night, and feel perfectly safe (maybe not so much in HongKong), The farm where I grow green coffee is way down south in Yunnan, almost to Myanmar, I also have a beach house in Shandong, and my normal residence is in Shijiazhuang (just SW of Beijing). Just like most people in America, that think the Chinese wear pointy bamboo hats and work all day planting rice in knee deep water, the Chinese people think the Americans all live in 2 storey homes, have 2 large cars, many children, a big stupid dog and the husband/father never seems to go to work, and the wife/mother spends all her time at the beauty parlor. (The Brady Bunch is still running on TV here). Living conditions here are good, income tax is only for the super rich, sales tax is only on luxury items, you can by a nice house for under $50,000, or a bottle of Bacardi rum for $8, a bit different to good ‘ol US of A

          • john

            I was military for 30 years. I learned to take what we were taught about potential enemies was somewhat…. twisted. I hear it is beautiful there. Is it like anywhere else that some of the spots are great, while others are just…. okay? Who is your market for your coffee? Stay well.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Thanks for serving, John!

          • john

            Thank you for saying that.

          • Rod Scott

            I also had 24 years with the USAF, mostly as a combat pilot and instructor, and the last 2 years writing propaganda, because suddenly I was too old to fly. I know exactly what you mean about the “potential enemy” syndrome, and what the typical American thinks about communist countries, I don’t even try explaining that they would notice no difference, except voting is a lot smaller scale, you don’t get to vote for the president of the country, but if you want, you can vote for the leader of your suburb, that leader can vote for the city leader, who can vote for the state leader, and it is this group that can vote for the country leader. All members of the CPC ( Communist Party of China) have a university degree in politics, so I think they are more qualified to pick a leader than somebody that believes or disbelieves political speeches. Another strange thing is that the CPC has only 70,000 members, which is probably less than the number of politicians in DC.
            It is beautiful here, everywhere you go there are rose gardens, and nobody steals the flowers, the people are very happy, prices for whatever you want to buy stay about the same year after year, the biggest changes are the weather, down south, always warm, but really humid in summer, up north, pleasant in summer, but too cold in winter. Here in Shijiazhuang the top temperature is about 100F in summer, and in winter about 20F with a few days that snow. The other main change is the food, the further west you go, the hotter the chili, and the further north is more influenced by Russian cooking, and I think the only food worse than Russian food is English food.
            The coffee I grow is harvested while it is still green, the husk is removed in the normal way, and the husk is the product, the beans are sun dried then crushed, and are put back into the soil. The husks are air dried, and are sold as medicine, green coffee has many uses, from weight reduction, sleep apnea and digestive problems.
            There are many things I really like about China, how a small amount of money goes such a long way, the happy people, the positive feeling that tomorrow will be better than today, and there are a few things that I don’t like, tradesmen, and I use that term in the loosest manner, car drivers, absolutely terrifying and hospitals, kiss your privacy goodbye, I had a ear infection, at the hospital the doctor was cleaning out my ear, and at least 10 other patients were watching the process.
            I still feel that the good parts more than equal the bad parts, and so do many other American that live in China, some of which use this median.

          • john

            Thanks for the response, Rod. You sound like you had a pretty interesting USAF career. I spent a long time serving with USMC outfit called ANGLICO before I got my commission. That was my chance to travel a great deal.Your comment about ” too old to fly” resonates. My father-in-law was a DC3/ C47 driver, When they pulled his ticket when he turned 60, he was just crushed, until he started flying non-scheds. My daughter is now in the USAF. She has about 10 years in. E-6 now and in a training slot. That is a story for another time. I stayed in health care after I retired from the Navy. The transition to civilian life and health care was a challenge. I have a buddy that married a beautiful and great Thai woman, and between his retirement and her family, they do very well in Thailand. Their house is a couple of hundred years old, and is really dazzling. I enjoyed your letter and look forward to ” talking ” to you again.

          • Rod Scott

            Hi John, USAF de-winged me at 45, I was a bit fumed, but I knew it was coming, they expected me to take the early retirement program, ( also known as “Obama’s de-fanging program ) almost the same money and the ability to avoid a boring desk job, I refused, then the pressure started, I was stationed at Miramar, not far from my home, and would go home most weekends, so a re-posting to NYC was called for, making it impossible for me to get home on weekends, after working for 3 months in NYC, writing the most outlandish bull$hit pro American propaganda, my wife, son & daughter and their wife/husband and kids visited me for a weekend, the following Tuesday I received my temp. relocation in Melbourne Australia, and what was I doing in Australia? You probably think something very important connected with Australia, you would be wrong, I was writing the same outlandish bull$hit pro American propaganda, I got to see a great amount of Australia because I would be transferred to another state about every 3 months, still doing the same job that had nothing to do with Australia, one of my better stories you may of even heard, about a army captain in Afganistan, DS1, his name was Robert L Jenkins, he was a great leader, loved by his men, who unfortunately died while successfully defending an important position, but if anybody wanted to really check, there was no attack on that position that day, and the enemy never use 45 cal., and 2 rounds in the base of the skull, must of been really lucky shots.
            I have moved and am continuing to move away from western medicine, when I arrived in China, 2010, I had about a years supply of most of my pills, I had many problems that I needed to take a daily pill or 2 for the rest of my life, nothing serious, just normal stuff, blood pressure, arterial fibulation, diabetes, cholesterol, gout and baldness, all these medical problems have been fixed with Chinese medicine, not hidden, but cured.
            In most of Asia (not Japan) US$ 300.00 per week is above average income, and if you own a house in America, and get a pension, you are very wealthy here.
            I also enjoy talking to you John.

          • john

            I was rif’ed in 1997, but that may have had something o do with me refusing orders to Bosnia. My wife was always unfailingly supportive of my frequent deployments…. until she wasn’t. I got my 30 years in. Not bad for a mustang. I made the mistake of retiring to Southern California, and came to regret it almost immediately. I also had to adjust to being in the civilian sector: I was too used to being in command, and not having to “herd cats.” I worked for County Mental Health for about 9 years, until I just could not deal with the “dysfunctional family” dynamics anymore. Then I went into the private sector, and had a couple nice gigs, until they fell out from under me. I have my own thoughts on health care. I started out as a Navy Corpsman, attached to the Marines in Vietnam. I always held onto the idea that I was one of the Good Guys, no matter what the media or civilians thought. Staying in for me was a good idea. I got an education, and a commission, and stayed with the Marines most of my career. My younger girl went to Australia the summer before her senior year of high school, and the year after she graduated, we sent her to Europe. She had studied French for 4 years, and thought it was romantic. Going there, she really disliked the French, but wound up really loving Northern Italy. My big girl was not interested in travel. I guess she had had her fill while growing up. I was able to minimize our moving around some. Now, my younger girl is in the USAF, with a training slot. The big girl works for a financial advisory company. I now have 3 grandkids, an 8 y/o girl, 4 y/o girl and a 3 y/o boy. With her mom being in the AF, we were able to take the 4 y/o girls and got to know her best. I humbly admit to her being my favorite. We got out of California about 3 years ago, moving to what I call a Free State, and we love it here. I just wish we could see more of the kids and grand kids. I get to hunt, fish, camp, and volunteer on some paleontology and archeology trips. They like having me along to carry the band-aids and aspirin. Do you have anything like recreation?

          • guffman

            Zzzzzzzzzz……….

          • Rod Scott

            I’m originally from Seattle, but I moved to CA with my first job, I liked the weather, then met my wife there, I bought a house just east of Venus Beach, after my retirement from the service, I even had a try in local politics there.
            I have 5 grandkids, the 3 youngest were born in China, the whole family get together for about a week twice a year, in summer its at the beach house in Shandong, and in the winter its at the farm in Yunnan.
            Recreation is very different here, Chinese people don’t seem to see the need for it, there is no hunting, for 2 reasons, the first is that guns are still illegal, and have been since 1948, but you can buy a crossbow or super powerful slingshots almost anywhere, the second reason is there is nothing to hunt, sure we have pandas and tigers, but they are very protected, all the other wild animals were eaten out of existence in the bad days (1960’s). Fishing at the coast is doable, but I have never been able to catch very much, but its still a lot better than the inland rivers, which have been completely fished out many years ago, Camping is also not done here because there is no wilderness, when you leave the cities, and am in the countryside, it is just a mass of little farms, normal size is about 2 to 10 acres, to show you the difference between here and there, one interesting point is that USA has 70,000 pig farms, most with modern processing, housing and a staff to do the work. China has 70,000,000 pig farms, that just have pigs, and not much else.
            In China, most businesses are open 7 days a week, they say you can’t make money with the door shut, this includes banks, schools and shops. People just keep working until February, then have a 2 week break for Spring Festival, in that 2 weeks, almost everything is shut. Students are pushed too hard at school, they have to get high grades so they can enter a more famous ( not necessarily better) high school or university, so they can get a better job, maybe so they can look after there parents in retirement, because of the one baby policy, there are no other brothers & sisters, so kids from an early age go to school from 7 am to 7 pm, 7 days a week for 50 weeks a year, after school they have tutors mainly teaching Mathematics or English, this continues until they get a job, then its work all day, go home and watch TV, and later its look after the old parents and watch TV, there is no real recreation. A friend of mine ( reasonably wealthy) sent his wife and son to Mauritius for a weeks holiday, on their return I was speaking to the son (aged 15) I asked what he did there, thinking of my holiday there in 1993, scuba diving in crystal clear water, the night time street dancing, the exotic food, the kid told me he just watched TV, there was plenty of English shows to watch but no Chinese shows, and the only food he ate was McDonalds, because he didn’t know what the local food was.
            Another thing that is very different is that there are no handymen, people don’t do minor repairs to their house or car, maybe because there are no hardware shops, building supply companies or car part shops, or maybe there are none of these businesses because there is no demand. I was going to service my tractor on the farm a few years ago, I needed oil, oil filter, fuel filter, air filter and a fanbelt, it took me over a month to get these parts using the internet, and cost about US$100, which I thought was a bit steep, but if I had of bought these parts at the Kuboto dealing in Shanghai, it would of been about US$1000.
            My personal favorite recreational time is devoted to the study I do for a correspondence course into Chinese Traditional Medicine, I have been doing it for almost 5 years and am about halfway through it, I have no intention of ever practicing, but I find it very interesting all the same, it is mainly about treating aliments with food, herbs or spices, there is a small part about treating injuries, but there is no surgery, you must of heard about combat pilots and blood, its true.
            Looking forward to hearing from you.

          • john

            Hello, Rod. This is all great to hear. You understand how information about the rest od the world is in short supply here from the mainstream media. Your comments about nothing to hunt made me think hard. I knew about the restriction of firearms. Here, we have elk, white tail deer, mule deer, bear. Fishing is great in the streams and lakes. I am not much of a fisherman or a hunter, but they are great excuses to get outside. Chinese medicine? How cool is that! I had a buddy years ago that went to school in San Diego, learning Chinese traditional medicine so he could take care of his Chinese grandparents. Listening to him was educational and entertaining. Somewhere on my shelves I have a copy of the Barefoot Doctor’s Manual ( in English). Having family is a big deal for me. I am proud of my kids, and the grandkids have brought out the teddy bear in me. I just wish we could see them more than we do. I moved out of Southern California for retirement because I was tired of the population density, the lack of open country, the heavy road traffic, and the exceedingly liberal politics. How do the Chinese handle immigration? I bet that they are more pragmatic than the US is now. I really admire the Chinese their pragmatism and self-interest. I would make myself exhausted just traveling around looking at archeology and paleontology, too. One thing, around here there is nothing is old by their standards.

          • Rod Scott

            Hi John,I like you I’m not the great fisherman or hunter, its mainly just an excuse to get away for a while. When I was a kid I spent some time visiting my uncle who owned a farm about an hour out of Seattle, I would shoot rabbits & squirrels with my BB gun, which is a bit difficult because you have to get so close, on my 13 th birthday my uncle gave me a homemade rifle, it had an extremely heavy barrel, a 6x scope and was chambered in .22 Hornet, pretty soon I was head shooting little critters at 300 yards, sort of took the fun out of it. While in Australia I went on a couple hunting trips with fellow workers, I found it amazing that the Kangaroo & Emu ( both on their coat of arms) are shot as vermin, ( sort of like shooting a wedge tail eagle, or a panda in China). I enjoyed river fishing about an hours drive out of Melbourne, catching rainbow trout ( about half to 3/4 pound), I stopped river fishing after I caught a snake, a breed called a King Brown, I still have nightmares about that.
            Most of my typical western aliment have been cured with Chinese Traditional Medicine. I have been told by many doctors in various western countries to just “take this pill forever”, they all say this pill will handle the problem, it may have side effects, but there is no cure, in western medicine there is no cure for gout, diabetes, cholesterol, blood pressure, arterial fibulation or baldness, here they are treated and cured.
            Immigration to China is fairly simple if you qualify, to qualify you need to be not wanted by the law in your home state, ( where you have lived for at least 3 years),you need to be have 100,000 yuan ( about US$15385 ) locked in a Chinese bank that you cant touch for 3 months, you need to have a regular income of 2000 yuan ( US$308 ) per month, you need to sign a form that says you will not break any criminal law and you will respect Chinese sensitivities. As I said fairly simple, and most people qualify, if you put all the US ex.servicemen & women living in China in one group, you would have an army ( unarmed, but still an army). In the 7 years that I have been here, I have only met 4 people that returned to USA, one was a young business type trying to set the world ablaze, and the other 3 were a family that had very spoilt son aged about 30 who didn’t like it here so they all went back to New Mexico, and what a god forsaken place that is.
            In my “home” city Shijiazhuang ( she-jazz wun), we have a bridge that is older than Jesus Christ by about 200 years, we have a Buddhist Temple that dates back to the time of Christopher Columbus, and this is a relatively new city, the very comfortable hotel I stay in when visiting Beijing was build 500 years ago. I’m sure you and you family would love it here, hoping to hear from you soon.

          • john

            Always a pleasure to hear from you. My father was on the navy’s rifle and pistol shooting teams, ages ago. He was never shy about guns with me. I grew up in the Navy, living in a bunch of places until I was 10 years old. All my places were tropical, growing up. I got to travel plenty when I was in, more than my wife finally liked. I was showing my kids my high school yearbook, and in it, I said I wanted to travel. I got my wish. It is good that you like where you are. My wife is declining, so we have agreed to pretty much agreed to confine our travels to the Continental US. We are learning that we love trains, and some cruise ships. I have a confession to make: In my darkest of hearts, I always wanted to have a panda skin, as well as a giant kangaroo skin. I love them as animals, and it is just a selfish wish, but I find them so tactiley satisfying that ..maybe If I could find a cuddly panda or kangaroo as a pet? Yeah, right. I understand that western China is wide open, Tibet, Mongolia, and such. The likelihood of us travelling to China are very slim. Stay well, and my best wishes for you and yours.

          • Rod Scott

            Hi John, my travels in the service mostly went to places that you would never want to holiday in, the middle east where people have been living and fighting for 6000 years, fighting for a cave in a rock wall that their family has lived in since day one. While I was flying, my best location was Dusseldorf Germany, 4 years in the late 80’s, great place, great people, when I was only flying a desk, the best place was Darwin Australia, so laid back, unbelievably laid back, not much happens there, but nobody cares.
            I also love trains, although I own a car, which I use most days to move around town, any longer trips are done in the train, this coming week I need to go to Beijing,(160 miles away) and I will use the train, this train gets up to about 300 kph (186 mph) there are videos in all carriages that tell the speed, weather and location, after I finish my business in Beijing, I will return, but will break my trip at about the halfway mark, at a city called Baoding (bow ding) and will visit a friend that owns a restaurant there, this guy is also on this medium, his name is Martin, and while not being ex.military, he did work for the government. Other train trips that my wife and I have done include the freaking fast train from Beijing to Shanghai, this train does 525 kph (328 mph), and the round Russia tourist train, site seeing all of Russia for 24 days, trying to find food that was half acceptable and trying to sidestep the beggars, not a pleasant trip.
            Panda skins are obtained by bidding on the skin when a baby cub is born in a zoo somewhere in the world, if you have the highest bid, it yours, you pay right then and there, about US$10,000, then you wait until it dies, this might be next week, it is small but its yours, or it may be in 20 years, it is full size, but a bit weather beaten. Kangaroo skins are different, in Australia, I bought a kingsize bed cover that had a complete giant red kangaroo skin in the middle and the edges filled in with grey kangaroo skin, the underside was covered with electric blue silk, and it cost me AU$60 (US$45). A Panda would make a great pet, not real smart or active, but friendly, Kangaroos on the otherhand are mind numbingly stupid, and have a tendency to turn vicious for no reason, something that most people of the world don’t know is that kangaroo’s kill people, how about another favorite Australian animal, the cuddly Koala, aka a drop bear, just stick with a dog or a cat , its safer.
            Tibet in the west is not like China, it is more like India or Pakistan, there you places with no people, open country, the high country, mountains that have no trees or shrubs, not even grass will grow, it is one of the disputed territories, and I can’t understand why, it is not worth having, maybe there is oil or gold under the ground. Mongolia is a sovereign state, Inner Mongolia is way up north, and is very beautiful, undulating grassy fields, with scattered dairy farms, that actually have modern equipment, I saw one farm that had a Herring Bone milking shed, that could milk 200 cows at once, that has to be big even by American standards, gets a bit cold in winter though.
            John, do you worry about the financial collapse of America, do you know most experts say it all comes to an end this year, most likely before the election, some are saying 3rd week of September, 30 September, 03 October, they have a problem pinpointing the day, but most say its coming very soon.
            But on a more cheery note, be well, stay well.

          • john

            Going down to your last paragraph, first. Economically, am I worried? Oh, Hell, Yeah. I am not an economist, but I look at things like rising costs, government mismanagement, Fiat money, a soaring national debt, and blatant fraud ,waste and misuse. We have nothing to back up the dollars that are printed, faith in the government seems to be decreasing among anyone other than Socialists, and doubt about the truthfulness of the economics numbers the government publishes seems High. I have no faith in the proof being offered by some “experts” that anything will happen on a given day. I have problems with even trusting the weather forecasts ( not to mention predictions of the causes of anthropomorphic climate change.) That is a whole different subject that just upsets me. What do you think of what seems to be going on nationally ( here), and internationally, economically?

          • Rod Scott

            It must be the middle of the night there, because its 5:00 pm Sunday here.
            I completely believe that America will collapse very soon, Isis is funded by Obama.
            Russia will give weapons to Isis that will bring down the electricity grid.
            The IMF will put the Chinese yuan in as a more viable international currency next month.
            This will all happen before the election.
            One of your contacts on this medium Sara Diablo, has a husband ( Enrico) that was working in the WH kitchen late one night in 2010, when he heard Obama telling his buddies that his second term would finish when “he got tired of it”.
            My relatives still living in Washington state do all financials in CAD$.
            You should convert everything to CAD$ or Mexican Peso’s (depending on where you live) as soon as you can.

          • john

            I don’t know who Sara is, or Enrico, but I like to think that I am in a comfortable position even if things do fall apart economically. I trust neither Obama nor Clinton to have MY best interests at heart, or the best interests of America as a nation or as a people. I guess Canadian dollars would be easy to come by, close to the border. If you are right, you may not hear from me for awhile. Even if you are NOT correct, the possibility for negative outcomes is still real. I know something about EMP attacks. They are a real possibility, and would be a major disaster. Grid down attacks would be just as bad, but that is me speaking from what I have been told, since computer technology is way outside my area of knowledge.

          • I am very sad to learn about your wife’s health. I’ll pray for her.

          • john

            Is there something shorter that I could call you? I appreciate your good wishes. I will take all the prayers for her that I can get. We try to work around it, and live our lives.

          • Once, in a past career, people called me Nod. I always liked that name. It is different.

            May you guys find some serenity in this weekend.

          • john

            I will try to remember that. Thank you for your kindness. Serenity? That makes me want to watch recordings of FIREFLY. Sorry, I can only be serious for moments at a time. I have been working on achieving inner peace my whole adulthood. Some days are better than others. How about you?

          • I have old demons to keep down. Moments of peace are possible, but peaceful days are unrealistic.

          • john

            Nod, I know how that goes. Please refresh my memory: are you a vet? Not that that status is relevant to demons, but the correlation is quite high. Bless you, friend. I wish you luck in your journey. It can be done…. mostly.

          • No, I am not a vet. I have been a peace officer.

          • john

            The same, only different.

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          • john

            Thanks for the note. I forget the nickname you provided me. Always a pleasure. I have not been online much lately.

          • john

            Of course! I apologize for me senior moment. Why do you think I use my own name? Because it is easy for me to remember.

          • Nod.

      • I’ll go into the one WITH the 2’nd.

        • Sara Diablo

          Hey Phillip, I will see you there.

    • Yes it is about time. Buy while you still can, store up ammo, HIDE it and use common sense.

    • john

      Oh, Hell, Yeah! When I was twenty, I vowed that the next war I was in would be within rifleshot of my house. Well, staying on the military kind of prevented that. But I still am not happy with the way things are going in this country. I never want tanks to roll down the street I live on.

  • shawshank09

    No more laws. If a person is mentally impaired I think the merchant that is making the sell can usually tell if someone is screwed up or if the person seems to be a little strange and could at that point not necessary no sell a firearm but maybe stall and ask him to take his business to someone else. I have owned firearms in my life and sold a few. Once I advertised the sale of a S&W model 686. well A person called about it and came out to see what it was. Well upon meeting this man something struck me kinda funny and I told the guy it was already sold and shut the door in his face, maybe a little rude. But I felt better because I wound up selling it to a Tomcat driver(NAVY) pilot on his way to gulf war 1. It’s just sometimes people strike me a little funny and I usually won’t have much to do with them.
    It is the same for a gun store I think they have the right to sell or not sell. But we don’t need anymore gun laws. Criminals ain’t gonna read them anyway. and some of the biggest crooks are in Washington.
    They are the one’s who want our guns to gain more control over us, to much is too much.

    • Martin Slazenger

      I’m sure there would be people & gun shops out there that would sell a gun to somebody that they thought was crazy.

      • CompletelyOutsane

        Said, Martin Slazenger ——>>> shawshank09 •
        “I’m sure there would be people & gun shops out there that would sell a gun to somebody that they thought was crazy.”

        Yeah, especially if forced to by the BATFE and “Justice Dept”! Right?

        • john

          The response to the failure of Fast& furious became Chokepoint.

      • Sara Diablo

        I once sold a Owen machine gun to a guy that I worked with, not a personal friend, just a work buddy, I had known him for just over a year, he seemed normal in all respects, but he wasn’t.

  • Wes

    Take our guns and our Constitution?
    Over their dead bodies and loss of power.

  • gypsy314

    Im proud of the sheriffs standing up for the American people and telling liberal commies were to get off.

  • 45 cal

    Every day we read more stories of how our liberties are being taken away and lawmakers and elected officials act in complete disregard of Constitutional law and even the inalienable rights being taken from our nation founded on principles of freedom. The line is clearly drawn now just who are the enemies of peoples of a free nation. “Progressives” (the new Red) have taken over the Democrat party and the Republicans we have chosen to fight have “crossed over” to compromise with the enemy who have declared to “draw no quarter” on it mission of One World Control over the “sheeple”. When a good man has dared to defy and even campaign for President on policy of truth and strict adherence to Constitution limits of Federal government he is demonized and ruined by the leftist media, “progressives” and even those of the Republican establishment with their status quo retention of power.
    As indicated in this article the free man’s only remaining defender of liberty are your local sheriffs. We must elect the best qualified men for these positions and fully support their firm stand against EVIL.

    • Johnstoirvin

      Freedoms Hardly Missed

      With each and every law that’s passed
      And regulation penned,
      A little freedom disappears,
      To not return again.

      Once in place, they never leave,
      Just add them to the list
      Of all the things we cannot do
      And freedoms hardly missed.

      One day we’ll see, we were the free,
      But now that’s all long gone,
      As we lament in disbelief,
      “Where the hell did we go wrong?”

  • disqus_MZe2ymfHQj

    I believe the mental health of the people wanting to pass more gun control laws needs to be checked.

    • homegirl

      I was told that guns are designed for lawful use. Now what exactly is the lawful use that is referred to?

      Is it self-defense? If so, can that self-defense not include killing another?

      But the argument here is not about self defense, a deflection, it is
      about the essential function of a gun. And a gun is designed
      specifically to kill. Nothing else. And a gun with a high capacity
      magazine makes it much easier to kill multiple people.

      I read the silly nonsense that people are killed with bats. Change
      the last word to screwdriver, or rope, or bricks, or rocks and the same
      nonsensical argument can be attempted, but of all the things referred to
      here, only guns have as their sole purpose the facilitation of killing
      people and animals.

      So if you are a gun rights type, a Second Amendment type, or however
      you define your position, know that the instrument which you insist
      should be legal to carry is designed to kill people. Embrace that
      element because no amount of rationalization can eliminate that fact.

      A brutal fact that apparently makes some gun rights types uncomfortable.

  • Old Salt

    The normal “Joe citizen” is finally waking up to the what the insidious gun grabbers are up to and smart Sheriffs are involved. Here’s the trick in a nutshell. They’re convincing, otherwise gun supporting citizens, to acquiesce on some seemingly innocuous regulation, that if the regulation is not adhered to…the penalty for the infraction is confiscation of your weapon until such time that you’ve paid the necessary fine and proven that you’re suitable, constitution notwithstanding, to posses a gun…(which is never). These regulations are unconstitutional, of course, but now you gun nuts are splitting hairs…right? The bottom line is…every one of the 50 states will have some different set of anti-gun regulations…so that you can’t move about freely in this country (which is a right) while exercising the inherent right of possessing a gun, and the coupe-DE-grace is, a lot of the statutes will constitute a felony, where by definition you lose your gun rights without committing a criminal act against the people. I hope these Sheriffs, if these statutes pass, will refuse to make arrests and will, on the contrary, defend We the People, up to and including, arresting other unelected law officers that try removing our rights…yes…it’s coming to that!

  • James

    What some law enforcement seems to forget or not care about are their family and friends who are not police or otherwise specially privileged to keep and bear arms. Does a cop want to make it technically illegal for his wife or his grandmother to defend themselves with a firearm should the unfortunate situation arise? And is it the case that all retired law enforcement automatically receives a right to keep and bear arms when they retire? Or do police become as helpless and vulnerable as the general public when they hang up their badge? Most of the gun grabbing of police seems to come at the very top where the communist politics is the most concentrated. It’s long past time to call out the bs’ers for their bs.

    • Thank you for coming out and telling it the way it is. I wish more people could realize that this is what has been going on for a good while now! And WE need to wake up to the fact!

  • Personally, I can see that most people are totally unaware that the proposed “mental health check” would wrongfully ban just about every single law abiding citizen in the country since the bill has been written in secret, just like the Trans Pacific Partnership, infact, many of our Congressmen do not even know what is in the “Mental Health Check”. The bill is intended to be able to be progressively added to and added to, and will discretely require a PERFECT RECORD OF MENTAL HEALTH. And as we know, or otherwise dont know, most humans do NOT have such. And any one who has a religion, (a belief in an entity which can not be seen or heard) will be deemed as mentally unstable, or skitsophrenic. And this would also be another attack on freedom of religion as well. . . . . . Unlike the reasonable 1968 (or 1958 or ’62 ? dont quite remember year) bill where one had to be extremely insane and unable to handle one’s own affairs to be banned from owning a firearm, and of a danger to one’s self and to others, this bill, will ban anyone who does not have a perfect bill of mental health, and as I stated, even your religion, could be grounds for a ban. Never the less, the “liberals” in Washington are letting in unprecedented numbers of foreigners from terrorist prone nations into our country and they do NOT screen them, yet WE LAW ABIDING AMERICANS must go through a back ground check before we can purchase a fire arm? How ridiculous can it get?! They are supposed to help us to be safe from them, yet they let the lions out free and tie up the sheep. Hillary will be letting in five times as many terrorists into our country and will make President Obama look like a gun friendly redneck. Sign of the times. I think we should recognise the Second Amendment as what it is, a right of the people to bear arms> it is up to the PEOPLE ALONE, to get together and establish a well regulated militia and it is NOT up to the government or to any officials or judges or big business or to the BANKERS, it is up to US LAW ABIDING CITIZENS, period. All the massacres happened in “gun free zones” but our liberals can not understand that.